Wednesday, August 30, 2006

GOD - the almighty???

Is it true that god loves us soo much that he always thinks and does everything that is right for us? If he alwayz knows what is right and what is wrong for all of us, then why on earth should we learn good and bad always the hard way??

Look at what the bible says - god created beautiful world, nature, man and women.. loved them equally protected them under his wings!!!... ok so wat if the serpant was created by satan... why did god put the man and women close to the serpant? where was he when they choose to eat the apple??

Today I had a conversation with one of my blogger friend about Bhagawat Gita. He was trying to throw some light about the divinity of god and how he always guides us and gives us the best we deserve.

I disagree. I see the entire war in "Mahabharatha" as a cause of unjustifiable pride, ego, greed, sarcasm, disrespect and more unsatisfied humanly desires. Just becoz there was a symbolization of god (Krishna) taking the pandavas side, doesn't mean that pandavas were the "GOOD" and the kauravas were "BAD"!!

Was god even neutral here? Not to mention the tricks he played on Karna and Thuriyodana to make them most vulnerable to death!!! No matter what the cause was, is it "dharma" to kill ur own family to win a war??

Let us examine this part of the whole mahabharath a lil more explicitly. What was the reason behind pandavas accepting a lavish gift like the mayamahal? what gave panjali the right to humiliate a man for a reason as silly as tripping over an illusion!! what gave her that much of pride and sarcasm? what made pandava irresitable to a game of gambling? what made dharmar bid his wife on the game? what made the rest of the pandavas resist questioning dharmar then? why did that respect for elders fail when they faced their previous generation on the battle field??

My friend also said that Krishna came to guide the pandavas through the difficulties when he saw them make soo many mistakes. Where was he till then?? why did he not choose to take side by the Kauravas?

If everything that pandavas did were humanly mistakes, is a man seeking revenue for the humiliation and all the isolation he went through from his youth make him vulnerable to similar mistakes as well. Why is that pandavars mistakes forgiven and kauravars not!! who gave krishna the right to choose sides? Wasn't he suppose to be neutral!!??

Then my friend said, no krishna gave kauravas a fair chance?? Really?? how many times did Krishna tricked pandavars as he tricked kauravas?? what was all this prejudice about??

I remember reading somewhere that "Mahabharatha" is an epic to tell you how you should not live and "Ramayana" is an epic that tells you how one should live. The irony is both of these are being dominated with soo much of the then cultural hypocrazy that it is hard for me to believe that this is what I want to narrate as bed time stories to my kids as they grow up.

There was a joke sometime back -

Grandma: "beta.. u know Kamsan killed 7 kids b'coz he belived the 8 kid of his sister would kill him and he waited to kill the 8th born child too"

Grandson: "dhadhi... he is an idiot... he should have kept the parents in different jails... then there wudn't have been even a single kid rite!!"

Now who would logically answer this qtn?? but if our future generation is that smart, this may not remain a joke for long. If I happen to tell my kids stories like Ramayanam, Mahabharatham, Silappathikaram.. then they would grow up with similar conflicts as some of us do.

If killing ur own kith and kin on a ego clash that started with a mayamahal is dharma, then we would have to accept one of us killing one of their distance brother for their grandparent's property as dharma too. Is shooting Vaali from back is ethical then I will have to accept my kid throwing stone at his senior from his back as ethical too. If destroying an entire city of Madurai, unjustice was done to kanaki, then when our youth destroy public property b'coz their professors did not correct their papers properly should be looked upon as seeking justice!!!

Should we need to reconsider our ways of living now??

I am not a god-hater.. but when I look behind in my life, there were people who came in my life for a very short period of time, made an impact on me - as if their whole purpose of life is to come into my life at the right moment and help me, and then they vanished leaving a deep hurt!! I sometimes truely belived that god sent these people in my life only b'coz he had to help me at that point of time and he choose to do it through them.

But what gave him the right to take these people away from my life once his purpose was done? Is he making choices for me? what gives him the right to do so? when he created human beings as a bundle of complex emotions ... did he not have a FAQ and technical support document prepared?? Did he not know it was going to hurt me worst when he is going to take away something from me?? or is he going to blame that on Satan and say even I have a satan on my back!!??

That brings us to my starting question... Is god really an almighty.. does he always make the right choices for all of us. It is not just about my or your emotions but as a bigger picture too. Why are there soo much negativity in the world.. no matter how positive we want to think, we still see bad in the world. I can understand certain things like volcano or earth quake... why is there rape, child abuse, killing, hunger and disease? why din't god make good choices for these criminals?

Is it true that all these are called "BAD KARMA"... but every thing freezes at the starting point. Why did god not make a choice to protect adam and eve from eating the filthy apple!!!

Another joke -

two kids sit outside a grave yard, under a tree and count their marbles.

Kid1: white ones are for me and the black ones are for you...

Kid2: ok

Both kids: one for u; one for me; two for u.. two for me...

two men walk by the other side of the grave yard and hear this conversation. They think that god and satan are counting their souls. They whisper abt it and plan to run..

Kid1: he look two of these are trying to run... catch them

and these two run back to their village scared to death!!!

Is there a remote possibility that we are just somekind of chess points and the good (god) and the bad (Evil-satan) are entertaining themselves with a good game of chess!!!

12 comments:

Rohan said...

reply coming up!

~/rajesh/~ said...

God is an excuse given to anything beyond human control and comprehension.

Some books of Osho makes sense to me on the topic of krishna's dharma. Its wonderful how he compares Gandhi with Krishna and still justify both as dharma.

Prasanna Parameswaran said...

Hey nice post! Just like the innumerous questions you have asked there are lot of questions that I have here for you too

1. Who gave the right to dhuyodhana to disrobe panchali, when it was very well known that a dress plays an important factor in the sanctity of womanhood. Oh yeah u may say just bcoz panchali ridiculed the butt of dhuryodhana for stumbling on an illusion, he did this - tit for tat eh? will you cut the tongue of your friends, if they laugh their hearts out when you fall the same way?

2. On what right or courteous way was Abhimanyu killed, he was a nirayudh - a well known fact that as per the laws of battle you are not supposed to kill a man who did not have a weapon. who gave the right to dhuryodhana (after dronacharya's advice) to attack him from behind like a coward and shatter all his bow and arrows? Ignoring all codes of war, what gave the right to kauravas to fight against a man who was a nirayudh?
There are so many questions like this that can be endlessly debated - and I agree to your point on deciding who is bad or good. The point though here is that all the epitome of human life if inclined towards the virtues tat can help you lead a more contended and happy life. Mahabatratha as an epic only tries to teach you that. It does not say who is bad or good! If you are a thief you need to hide. What we need to understand is Mahabaratha is an epic that helps the humanity in imbibing the moral values of life. It does not tell you just becuase a guy steals he is bad, it however wants us to realize that the act of theft is bad, and it will not lead you to salvation and contentment but punishment, sorrow and despair so stick to the good and be happy!

Kanya said...

@venki.. i am still waiting!! :D

@Rajesh.. thanks for visiting .. and yes i have read a lil from osho... different way of looking at the same thing though.. i like it... but i don't neccessarily agree!! :)

@indianAngel: hahahahaha... yappa.. why are u soo defensive abt the whole thing!!

first of all, clothes and women's santity'a?? who said that?? I thought adam and eve were more PURE before they learnt to dress :P

clothing is an expression of human thoughts... there is no santity in it... if only clothes can keep us that way.. then sex wud truly be forbidden even if it was meant to be between only socially accepted partners.. :P so shud we refrain from having a normal sex life?? :-?

Jokes apart... why was panjali disrobed is a valid question... its a man-women concept... if u notice even our movies today.. when a villain wants to weaken the hero by attacking his sentiments.. he gets the hero's womens first... (either wife or lover and/or sister...) but he just cannot kill them with a bullet... he has to rape them and only then he could kill them.. simple movie formula... (a man has to rape a women to humilate her.. and a women shud mok a man for his manlyness to humiliate him!! such cheap thoughts!!!) same had been applied in the epic!!??!! as well except that these came way b4 the movies!! I am not kidding.. this is one reason i truely believe that these are not great epics as we claim them to be!!

secondly, kauravas were already depicted as ppl who did wrongs!! a lot of their wrongs were highlighted soo much that they became a representation of evil... saguni's plots had a history... kooni's plots had a history... all bad actions had their justifications...

but all the mistakes that pandavas did were not even justifiable.. they were just taken for granted as silly human mistakes which could be forgiven... for god sake why shud the pandavas refer a gal as a fruit when they were talking to their mother.. and why wud she ask them to share it even without acknowledging what they were talking abt.. and even if she did ask them to share, why din’t pandavas tell her it was a women… for cry out loud… why did she not take back her words and say nevermind.. one of u marry her!! Whatz with the words thou said shant be changed kind of an attitude… !!

abhimanyu was killed when he had no weapons... rite... but y did krishna bring an aravaanai to kill bheeshmar.. if killing bheeshmar was a war ethic.. then so was abhimanyu's killing.. b'coz one of the biggest war technique of those days were the chakra attack and thatz what they did in abhimanyu's case... when abhimanyu choose to be a part of the war, it was his incapability to have been prepared for any kind of attack... well yeah it was a plot to bring him there but then why din't "i know everything" god stop it!!!

the bottom line is when u call all is fair in love and war.. actually there was nothing fair abt this war in mahabharath from either sides... so is the case with ramayana as well..

That is why i mentioned in my post:
"I remember reading somewhere that "Mahabharatha" is an epic to tell you how you should not live and "Ramayana" is an epic that tells you how one should live. The irony is both of these are being dominated with soo much of the then cultural hypocrazy that it is hard for me to believe that this is what I want to narrate as bed time stories to my kids as they grow up"

Another Interesting observations i made while reading different so called life rules from different religion and countries is that there are some things that are sooo very similar abt all these writings... this makes me even question if any of these writings had any individualism.. or was there something like hard copies blogging in those days that spread across the globe.. :)

I will bring up these similarities in my next post with may be more quotes from such writings ...

gils said...

god almightynu title paatha udanay ithaan nyabagam vanthuchu...thannala thoka mudiyatha kalla kadavulala padaika mudiyumaanu en friend oruthan romba naal munaadi ketaan...its a nice paradox..either way it repels the notion of an almighty god..nethu icecream saapdrapo thiderrnu thonina badil ithu...coincidentally eppovo neenga ezhuthina intha blog...well...thaan apdingara nenapu marainthu uruvaagarathu thaan kadavul...apdi irukum boathu thannala thooka mudiyatha kal apdingarathu it defeats the very concept...tho i can only argue philosophically..i somehow feel it sounds justified..enna solreenga

TheZion said...

I agree on your way of thought.

I have similar posts in my blog on my view of god and Artificial Intelligence.

I like your open minded expressions

Anonymous said...

India's real name is Bharata, named after the great king Bharat who said the King will be crowned based on his Karma and not by his birth right. Dispite he had 9 sons he crowned his prime minister the next king of Bharata. He had a weakness for women. Because of his weakness his son Bhisma sacrifices himself so that the woman his father chose to marry will become the king. Eventhough Bhisma is seen as the greatest Dhrmatma or the man of scarifice you will learn being too generous isn't a good thing either. So yes, Mahabharat is a story that tells you how not to live.

Saravana said...

"If killing ur own kith and kin on a ego clash that started with a mayamahal is dharma, then we would have to accept one of us killing one of their distance brother for their grandparent's property as dharma too. Is shooting Vaali from back is ethical then I will have to accept my kid throwing stone at his senior from his back as ethical too. If destroying an entire city of Madurai, unjustice was done to kanaki, then when our youth destroy public property b'coz their professors did not correct their papers properly should be looked upon as seeking justice!!!"......////////
these lines are awesome ..and i really liked those gr8 thoughts............well...u've been questioning why so much negativity and so many evils...u see...if there isnt any negativity....we tend to forget the positivities....its also true that we tend to remember god only on hours of adversities......then a question rises...why god wants ppl to remember him every now and then.....according to me....the whole concept of GOD..is jus to promote humanism/humanitarianism......if we bring to light that the almighty is not so powerful...then the evils u said...like..rape,child abuse,murders,robbery...everything would double or triple.....thank u very much for giving me a lead to my next post...am jus days old to blogging...!!!!

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